Beuys: “We took now *** for Rubens.”
Bense: “We have a *** about Beuys.”
Beuys: “No, i already told you, i’m not interested.”
Bense: “Yes, you said so.”
Beuys: “No, i didn’t … i said i am interested in those terms and only in a epistemological way … so they present information for the people.”
Beuys: “You said that i have to make plans when i’m building art”
Bense: “No, no… take Rubens”
Beuys: “I don’t want to talk about Rubens!”
Bense: “About whom do you want to talk?”
Beuys: “Then i prefer to talk about my own works.”
Bense starts to laugh